On March 25th, The TriState Chapter presented its spring workshop, “Kids and New Music: A Dalcroze Master Class”, at the Lucy Moses School for Music and Dance from 2:30 – 5:30. Anne Farber and I led the workshop together with Jennifer Undercofler, director of the teen new music ensemble called Face the Music.
Anne led us in a fun canon in 5 that challenged us to hold on to a strong internal pulse through tempo changes, rests and movement. I led the group through rhythm patterns inspired by Dave Brubeck’s Blue Rondo a la Turk, a wonderful piece full of changing beat patterns in 9/8. My sequence culminated in improvisation over the blues chord progression a la Brubeck. All of our work was in service of the ensemble’s performance of Steve Reich’s Double Sextet, an extremely challenging piece the kids have been working on. The afternoon concluded with a full performance. Bravo to all! Pictures coming soon on Flickr.
Prior to the workshop, I spoke Ms. Undercofler about her work with the ensemble. The interview follows.
See you in June for our final presentation, the return of the annual Songshare, this year at the home of Sara Bonsignore. Enjoy the spring!
Michael Joviala
President, TriState DSA
Michael: What was the inspiration for the ensemble?
Jenny: Face the Music was something that I started in my second year at Special Music School because I was very inspired by the kid’s level of dedication to practicing their instruments, but I was struck by the fact that they weren’t doing much music by people who were living. I kind of started it as an experiment to see if anyone would sign up, and 8 kids signed up. It went along for a couple of years. We did some open instrumentation pieces. By the third year, I picked a piece that I liked that had a certain instrumentation. It was Michael Gordon’s Yo Shakespeare. I knew it would be too hard for the kids, but I didn’t know how excited they would be by it. It then went from being something kind of recreational to something kind of serious because we ended up having to put in some serious rehearsal time to get ready for a particular concert. The group has grown because the kids have been ambitious about what they want to try to do. It’s been really exciting.
M: What is it that’s so exciting for them about this?
J: I think they have more of a sense of ownership working on music by living composers than they do with music by dead composers. It’s also the music itself. They feel like they have a say in what we play. I think the music has a sound that is more contemporary to them, and I think that is motivating. They know that they are the only ones of their kind for miles around, so there is a certain kind of pride in being a new music ensemble
that’s doing all this cool stuff. So there’s a group identity that has built up as well.
M: I’m sure. How much of a say do they have in choosing the music?
J: They have some. I try to take cues from pieces that they like and find things in a similar vein, or something that will stretch them a little farther in that direction. Sometimes I’ll run things by certain members of the ensemble who have been members for a while. Honestly, I do most of the repertoire picking. If they have composers that they are interested in doing, I’ll go see what I can find.
M: And who are their favorite composers?
J: Well, Steve Reich is definitely one of them. They also like this Dutch composer Jacob TV, and Michael Gordon remains a favorite. We played Yo Shakespeare to death, put it away, and now they want to play it again.
M: And have they met any of these composers?
J: Yes. They haven’t met every single person whose music we played, but they’ve certainly met the vast majority of them.
M: What are some of the typical musical challenges that this type of music
presents?
J: There is a level of rhythmic challenge that is higher in most contemporary music than you would find if you just pulled out a, say, Beethoven sonata. We are often dealing with polyrhythms, and music that has a fair amount of rhythmic complexity between parts. And this isn’t even in music that is particularly ‘uptown’. But what’s surprising is that this is usually the easy part. Kids adapt to that level of difficulty pretty quickly. They don’t sit there in fear because they don’t see a whole bunch of bars in 4/4. What’s difficult is probably common to all literature, it just takes a little longer to get there with contemporary music: how do you go from what’s on the page to a convincing performance? And what is that going to require of the group: anything from dealing with bizarre equipment issues, to composers who write things that are so technically difficult for the instruments that the tempos they set don’t actually work.
M: I’m wondering if, being young, they might have fewer preconceptions about
what music should be than older people?
J: It’s a double-edged sword. Young people are much more open-minded. By the time you’ve gotten a degree in music, your mind has been formed in certain ways. These guys don’t have any of that. We never have questions about whether this is legitimate music or not. They’re game for it. But kids’ hearts beat faster, and I have a hard time with them when we play slower music! When they have not liked pieces, it’s either that maybe the piece doesn’t really stand up to the highest possible standard, or the piece is just too contemplative, or maybe the pulse isn’t that evident. So I have to be careful how much of that stuff I give to them. That’s just an age thing.
M: Well I’m guessing that there’s a lack of life experience that maybe makes some pieces more difficult for them.
J: Yes. I had Brooklyn conductor and cellist Eric Jacobsen come in and work with the
kids on a piece by Osvaldo Golijov that his group (The Knights) have recorded, called Last Round. They have been having serious tempo issues with this piece, and part of it is that my and the kid’s conceptions of what the tempo should be were very different. And Eric identified the problem right away because he is halfway between their age and my age. He told the kids that their sense of tempo is en route to my sense of tempo. I am totally convinced that it does slow down with age!
M: So, these kids, though they are not exclusively from the Special Music School, are all musically gifted and highly trained. Do you think this kind of ensemble could work with kids who are more typical for their age and development?
J: I think so. We have the luxury of being able to tackle professional level pieces
like the Double Sextet. When I first started the group, I looked for things that required little or no practicing and that didn’t have specific instrumental requirements. I started to get fairly familiar with that body of literature. My feeling is that it can be done on a fairly basic level. You could do this with kids who are at a fairly basic playing level, and you could also get them to write for each other as well.
M: That’s a great idea.
J: As long as you are willing to take what the kids come up with and turn it into something that is really playable. There would be a little bit of work involved in that. But, yes, I think it could be done, and in fact that is one of my ultimate goals, to see if we can have more of this. It feels like something that should be going on more. Every major American city should have one or two Face the Music’s. It’s been ridiculously easy. Of course there have been challenges, but getting kids to do it has been easy.
M: From an audience-building standpoint, it makes a lot of sense for composers to write for ensembles like this. The orchestra audiences are getting older, and it makes sense to build this kind of excitement from the ground up.
J: Absolutely. When the kids interact with the composers there is the feeling of it being a living art form, and that it’s worth going to a concert because you want to keep up with what’s new. And that’s a totally different vantage point from going to a concert that you already have a CD of. Your experience of that piece is not going to change that much. It’s just a different attitude toward audience building.
M: At the workshop we will be working with Steve Reich’s Double Sextet. It’s a particularly challenging piece. How are the kids doing with it?
J: They’re doing well. The basic level of challenge is that the meters keep changing. The pianists and vibraphone players have a lot if notes, and the vibraphone and string players have a lot of counting. The assembly part of it is one level of challenge. I don’t want to jinx it, but I think that we do have it assembled. But now, just like we were saying before, the question is how do you turn it into a piece. One of the challenges is about feeling the energy, feeling the tempo in the long notes, and having it be something that the group feels collectively as opposed to just from the vantage point of each one’s own part. Another thing we’re having difficulty with is that Reich actually asks that the string players not vibrate. And it’s really hard not to vibrate. When you want energy on the long notes, one of the first things a string player will want to do is vibrate. That’s something we’re trying to work out of the piece and it’s hard. Another issue that has come up is that in all three movements he has a long note with an accent on the attack, and then an accent on the lift. It’s written the same way in the second movement, and yet the character is not the same. It’s the same idea, and yet if you do it the same way in the second movement it just sounds wrong. Again it’s a matter of how you make it work musically. How do you differentiate between kinds of lifts.
M: Right. There’s no notational difference, but the feeling is different.
J: Yes. The context is different. The last thing is that we are having issues with endurance. Particularly the keyboard players and vibraphonists. Not even the physical demands as much as the concentration involved. The intensity is on for the entire piece. How to pace yourself? Some of that goes back to how you feel the tempo as a group. If you feel like you are alone, it is daunting.
M: Or if god forbid you have different conceptions of the tempo, and you are fighting. A lot of these kids have had a Dalcroze background. I wonder if you have a sense of how that has been informing the way they tackle a piece?
J: I don’t know about this piece specifically because actually not that many of these kids have had Dalcroze. But now that you mention it, I wonder if that explains the ease with which Face The Music players have such a general ease in dealing with rhythms. That’s probably why. About a third of the entire group has come through SMS, so has had some exposure to Dalcroze. That could certainly be why measures of 5′s and 7′s don’t thrown them. So, actually, that’s kind of cool! I never really thought about that. It could very specifically be that.
M: So, for some of the kids on Sunday, this will be their first exposure to Dalcroze.
J: Yes.
M: Ok. Well, we’ll see what happens! Thanks for talking with me!
J: You’re welcome.
March 8th, 2012









